Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Grant Ward (ISTJ)
Grant Ward from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is most commonly theorized to be an INTJ, which we did consider. However, we believe that Ward is more in line with an ISTJ than an INTJ. Of course, Iโm sure some of you reading this might argue that he was only acting like an ISTJ while undercover. Believe it or not, Ward actually showcased a great example of really unhealthy, dominant Si once his cover was blown, which Iโll explain below. Hopefully this explanation makes sense.
Si:
โYou brought me on for risk assessment? Sheโs a risk. She doesnโt think like us.โ
โThis is definitely not protocol!โ
โWhat I realized about Ward is that every twisted thing he does is just a misguided attempt to justify his past.โ โ Coulson
โIโm still part of your team.โ
While undercover, Ward focuses on safety, protocol, and minimizing risk. He excels at risk assessment, and accounting for all the variables, which is a major part of his role on Coulsonโs team. However, Coulson tends to make unconventional decisions that appear risky, which Ward struggles with significantly. For instance, he initially disagreed with bringing Skye onto the team, and questioned saving the life of someone who was putting thousands at risk. Ward never hesitates to share his opinion in these matters. Generally speaking, his preferred approach is to stick to protocol, adhere to his training, and take the safest route possible to his goal.
Ward struggles significantly with moving on once his cover is blown. He enjoys his time working on Coulsonโs team, so much that he deeply regrets losing that part of his life. That point in time essentially becomes his Si ideal, the past that he wishes he could still live in. Initially, after Garretโs death, Ward convinces himself that heโs still a part of the team, and that theyโll eventually accept him back. While locked in a cell in the basement, he tries to tell Coulson that. However, after everything Ward had done, Coulson just looks at him like heโs crazy. Later, when Wardโs working with them briefly, he gets all excited that they โfinally got the team back together.โ He even starts reminiscing, trying to get them to focus on the good times they once had, by saying โCause there were good times, right? Before? I mean, for a while there, we were a good team, werenโt we?โ Once again, the team just looks at him like heโs crazy, and begins pointing out all the terrible things that heโd done to them.
As Wardโs storyline comes to a close, itโs continually emphasized that everything he does is with his past in mind. For instance, he obsessively seeks closure in the form of revenge. Once he loses his purpose under S.H.I.E.L.D. and then Garret, Ward just goes from one vendetta to the next. He gets vengeance on his family for his childhood trauma. He then seeks out vengeance against Coulson and S.H.I.E.L.D. for the death of Kara. Essentially, he never does anything to move forward and leave the past behind. He constantly looks back, and acts accordingly.
Te:
โI was on a mission. It wasnโt personal.โ
โWe need to take action now. What are my orders? โฆWake up! Come back to reality, John. What do you need me to do?โ
Under S.H.I.E.L.D, Ward is jokingly referred to as a โrobotโ by Skye, because he doesnโt often display emotion. Rather, he focuses on the mission or the task at hand, putting his emotions on the back burner. Itโs because of this tendency that he initially struggles to get through to Skye, as her supervising officer. His instinct is to approach her in a disciplined and structured way, issuing commands and teaching physical skills. Wardโs not sure what to do when Skye wonโt emotionally commit to his training, and he expresses to Coulson a need to re-evaluate his strategy. Coulson has to explain to Ward that he needs to โstop thinking like an operative. Start thinking like a person.โ Once Ward gets past that hurdle, being a supervising officer seems to come naturally to him.
After his cover was blown, Ward would insist that his actions hadnโt been personal; he had just been on a mission. He also displays his own desire for structure and hierarchy, while under Garrettโs authority. When the situation is getting dire and Garrett is beginning to act crazy, Ward demands that Garrett take action and give him orders. He seems relieved when Garrett finally does. After Garrettโs death, Ward begins to set his own goals and establish his own authority, such as when he attempts to rebuild Hydra. He never seems to struggle with how to go about completing his goals. Once he determines what he wants to do, Ward confidently works toward it, step-by-step.
Fi:
โYou lie to yourself. You wanna know why? Itโs simple. You canโt reconcile all the ugly horrible things you do with the hero you so desperately want to become.โ โ Christian Ward to Grant Ward
โI was never loyal to Hydra. I was loyal to Garrett.โ
โI give you my word, May.โ
Wardโs undercover role essentially put him into an identity crisis, in the form of a Si-Fi loop. At one point, Raina asks him if being a monster was his true nature, or if thatโs what Garret made him. Up until his cover gets completely blown, Ward always seemed very sure of himself, very certain of who he was. However, at this moment, he seems confused and responds with, โI donโt know.โ As the show progresses, it becomes clear that Ward wishes he could go back to the person he was on Coulsonโs team, and even believes for a while that he can return to the way things used to be. Later in the series, Wardโs brother accuses him of constantly lying to himself, which further demonstrates that Ward wants to see himself in a very specific way, and defines himself by his own internal principles and feelings.
Even as a villain, Ward has certain principles and values that he sticks to, such as never lying to Skye and being true to his word. It seems important to him to emphasize these values, so that people see him a certain way. Of course, this plays into how Garrett is able to control him. Garrett frequently manipulates Ward by accusing him of being weak, something low Fi users especially detest. In addition, when accused of being loyal to Hydra, Ward immediately denies that, explaining that he was specifically loyal to Garrett. This is a common difference between tertiary Fi and inferior Fi: being loyal to a person within a hierarchy rather than the hierarchy itself.
Ne:
On a practical level, Ward uses Ne to eliminate variables so he can carry out missions successfully. However, his inferior Ne shows up more with how he interacts with possibilities. Ward is a naturally suspicious person, which leads him to ask questions when an opportunity seems too convenient. When him and Coulson come upon a car thatโs already been hot-wired and started, as if itโs waiting for them, Coulson sees it as fortuitous while Ward questions if itโs somehow a trap. As a slightly different example, when presented with the desert island scenario, Ward tries to clarify details about the island and the box, because he has to narrow down the possibilities to something more realistic and manageable. He canโt just be open to any and all possibilities.
On a grander scale, Ward struggles to come up with possibilities for his own life. When Garrett basically tells him that the mission is over, and he can do whatever he wants, Ward struggles to find his own direction, because he has no dreams of his own. So when given the option, he never actually moves on with his life. Instead, he just finds different ways to chase the past, because he canโt move beyond it, beyond his desire for closure or revenge.
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Iโm pretty sure this character was already done ๐คจ
Nope. Mentioned but never posted.
I got it now: I read about him being a good example of a Si dom showing bad traits (or something like that) in another article from here.
โThis is a common difference between tertiary Fi and inferior Fi: being loyal to a person within a hierarchy rather than the hierarchy itself.โ
This sounds interesting. Why does this happen? Do you have more examples?
Dominant Te is going to prioritize structure or order, with inferior Fi making them tend toward suppressing their personal inclinations or individuality. Tertiary Fi will make the IXTJs more in sync with their sense of self, balancing it with the desire for structure.
Within the same series, Jemma Simmons is a good example, whom I type as an ESTJ. She struggles with whether to continue following Coulson once Shield was labeled a terrorist organization. Jemma always remained loyal to Shield, throughout the various personnel shifts. This frustrated Coulson and Mack when they were utilizing Shield resources to try and find Skye, but Jemma wouldnโt help. In comparison, Mack (an ISTJ) tried to leave Shield once he realized Coulson would be the man in charge. (After the conflict between the two Shield agencies.)
Another example would be Okoye from Black Panther (an ESTJ). While she wouldnโt betray TโChalla once Killmonger legally won the right to his throne, she also wouldnโt leave with him or take an active role in saving him. She backed the system/structure, in spite of her personal loyalties.
Very interesting, indeed!
โThis is a common difference between tertiary Fi and inferior Fi: being loyal to a person within a hierarchy rather than the hierarchy itself.โ
Can you elaborate on this? I havenโt watched this show so maybe Iโm missing context, but the quote โI was never loyal to Hydra. I was loyal to Garrett.โ comes off to me as though a person is loyal to another person regardless of the hierarchy, itโs like โWherever they go, I goโ type of thing. So my real question is: can you just forget the โwithin the hierarchyโ part? Or maybe higher Te users will always care more about hierarchy no matter whatโฆ
Well, I donโt want to limit any one type, because there are always exceptions, but youโll tend to see TJs gravitate toward structure, whether that means aligning to a current one or forming their own.
So, Fi users donโt really consider structure that often in the grand scheme of things all the time compared to Te users who always have ideas that move toward structure regardless of loyalties towards other people?
Can unhealthy ENTPs or INTPs donโt get much curious like they naturally get, on coming across new things and keep speculating all time about ALL sorts of things, staying in their head?
And does an unhealthy ENTP do it (staying in their head all time speculating & not wanting to try out their ideas) any differently than an unhealthy INTPโas we know being an Ne dom he should get more urge to try out his ideas than an INTP, thus less likely to keep speculating all time like them who are introvertsโor is it all the same? Or speculating all time & staying in your head is not an unhealthy trait?
Can a high Ne userโs natural curiosity or more precisely, allowance of themselves to get sidetracked be completely ceased when they have a long-term goal, or something like that to be completedโas they have Si too, you see?
And can not being driven to complete itโunless they get an ideaโbe associated with the fact that they are not high Si users?
And what exactly do long-term planners & task-oriented mean? Does it mean that they are driven by goals?
Sorry if you find that I have wrong idea about something and for ridiculously long questions.
I can kind of relate to him being nostalgic for his undercover days. Si can make you nostalgic for some weeeeird stuff, haha. (Like a horror game thatโs nerve-wracking and paranoia-inducing while youโre playing it but looking back you realize that having the Invincible Alienโs A.I. stalk you throughout the ship was actually pretty cool and not something a lot of games do.)
I think Iโm an INTP, so hopefully I can help you with some of your questions? Thereโs also an article on this site about ENTP/INTP differences that I think youโll find useful. Type โENTP vs INTPโ in the search bar and it should come up.
1st Question: Well, everyone has their areas of interest. I think XNTPs are more likely to go into speculation mode for something that catches their attention or a project theyโre involved in rather than it being โonโ all the time.
2nd Question: Well, people vary so I donโt think itโs impossible for an ENTP to be stuck in their head. I think theyโd be less likely to do it than an INTP, though, due to being Extraverted perceiving dominants. Their dominant Ne will make them want to explore possibilities more and see what would happen, compared to the INTPโs higher Ti-Si combo which would rule out more possibilities.
3rd: This might just be a โmeโ thing but Iโm going through a personal project of trying to get through my gaming backlog and I noticed I had a problem of moving onto new games before I finish the one I started, so I FORCED myself to concentrate on one game until it was done and toward the end (60+ hours if that helps) I had the constant urge to move onto another game, but I resisted it. So, I would sayโฆ itโs possible but theyโd probably have to be pretty disciplined with sticking to it. I dunno, maybe others donโt have as much of a problem with this.
4th: Iโmโฆ not sure. I always associated being driven to finish things with Te, but I think XSFJs are also pretty focused people when it comes to people-centric things so you might have a point there.
5th: Long-term would probably mean planning faar into the future. I think the cognitive function most associated with this would be Ni, and by extension, the XNXJs.
I always saw Te as the โdrivenโ goal-focused function, so if any types are driven by goals it would be the XXTJs, I think.
Hope this helps!
Thanks for your answers, especially for the 3rd one.
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