Tangled: Is Mother Gothel an ESTJ or an ESFJ?
Surprisingly, Mother Gothelโs personality type in Tangled is highly disputed, popular consensus being split between ESFJ and ESTJ. Each camp has their reasons, some better than others, but either way, after rewatching the movie, we completely understand the confusion. Her character, in spite of being reasonably well-developed, is actually rather complicated, given the limited screen time, her current life stage, etc.
Typically, for characters, we just do a structured, function-by-function analysis. However, with Mother Gothel, thereโs a variety of factors at play that made me want to treat her analysis a little bit different. We did something similar with Joker (2019): Analyzing Arthur Fleckโs Personality Type, only in this article, weโll actually state a clear opinion on the personality type we believe Mother Gothel to be, whether that be ESFJ or ESTJ. Naturally, we donโt expect everyone to agree with our final conclusion, but hopefully we can lay out a reasonable case either way. (Please donโt just scroll down to see the conclusion, and then post an angry comment. Read the article first.)
The Relevant Factors To Consider
Factor #1: Mother Gothel is a villain
It can be far too easy to automatically assume that all villains are thinkers. After all, the immoral actions of a villain are often not in line with stereotypical feeler attributes. However, anyone can be a villain, regardless of personality type. And, while some feelers will become villains over a misguided sense of justice or misapplied ideals, we canโt assume that feelers wonโt ever be completely morally absent. Thatโs not objective. Thinkers can be moral, just like feelers can be amoral.
Factor #2: Mother Gothel is a narcissist
โNarcissism is characterized by a grandiose sense of self-importance, a lack of empathy for others, a need for excessive admiration, and the belief that one is unique and deserving of special treatment.โ โ Psychology Today
Mother Gothel is narcissistic, which muddles her personality type. Throughout the movie, we see her constantly boost her own image and importance, while simultaneously belittling and criticizing Rapunzel.
โRapunzel, look in that mirror. You know what I see? I see a strong, confident, beautiful young ladyโฆOh look, youโre here too!โ
Unfortunately, people tend to associate narcissistic traits with Te dominants (ESTJ or ENTJ). After all, ESFJs are known for being empathetic and caring, while the ESTJs are known for lacking empathy and enforcing their own selfish goals. In fact, inferior Fi, when insecure, can surface as inflating oneโs self-importance in order to get external validation. However, inferior Ti can surface similarly. For the record, many EXTJ stereotypes are of unhealthy, imbalanced, or immoral EXTJs.
Itโs not fair nor objective to assume that all narcissists are EXTJs. The question to ask is: what would a narcissistic ESFJ look like?
The Takeaway
Between being a narcissist and a villain, itโs safe to assume that this woman is no saint. So, unless weโre going to say that only certain personality types can be narcissists and villains, we have to devalue arrogance, selfishness, and general acts of villainy in this analysis. After all, any personality type can be selfish or selfless, arrogant or humble, evil or good. Fe does not automatically make someone virtuous, just like Te does not automatically make someone mean. We need to focus on the cognitive function reasoning for her actions rather than the immoral or selfish nature of them.
Why is Mother Gothel an ESXJ?
Before we go into her judging axis, let us take a few moments to discuss why sheโs Si/Ne, and specifically why sheโs an ESXJ rather than an ISXJ. After that, weโll address the main question.
Si:
โJust let me heal him. And you and I will be together, forever. Just like you want. Everything will be the way it was. I promise. Just like you want.โ โ Rapunzel
Mother Gothel tries hard to maintain a certain lifestyle, without allowing any significant changes. Naturally, when the flower is stolen, Mother Gothel finds the new source, Rapunzel, and locks her away in a tower. However, as Rapunzel grows older, Mother Gothel fails to consider that she might need to make adjustments concerning how sheโs imprisoning the girl. She believes that she can keep telling Rapunzel to just stay in the tower, and that Rapunzel will do just that. This is a common pitfall of Si: fixating on a specific point in time and failing to see when reality starts to deviate from that initial, internal image.
Mother Gothelโs primary reasoning, when encouraging the girl to listen, centers around security. She often claims that sheโs trying to protect Rapunzel, and warns the girl that sheโll regret venturing out into the unknown world.
Ne:
โOne way or another, something will go wrong. I swear. Ruffians, thugs, poison ivy, quicksand. Cannibals and snakes, the plague. Yes! Also, large bugs. Men with pointy teeth. And stop! No more. Youโll just upset me.โ
Mother Gothel uses the fear of the unknown to chain Rapunzel to that tower. Of course, while many types can fear the unknown, Mother Gothel specifically casts a wide net, when trying to encourage Rapunzel to be afraid. She doesnโt just focus on one or two likely scenarios. Rather, she lists every possibility she can think of, no matter how major or minor. She does something similar when listing all the reasons why Rapunzel is incapable of facing these potential threats, which just further showcases her Si-Ne. (Quote below)
โOn your own, you wonโt survive. Sloppy, underdressed, immature, clumsy. Please, theyโll eat you up alive. Gullible, naive, positively grubby, ditsy and a bitโฆ. Well, hmm, vague. Plus, I believe, getting kind of chubby.โ
While we did consider Si dominant, or ISXJ, for her, we ultimately concluded two things: (1) her Ne is higher than inferior, and (2) sheโs likely an extraverted judging dominant (Fe or Te). Point 2 will be addressed in the next second, but as for higher Ne, you can see that in how animated she acts, and how verbally expressive and ramble-y she is. In some of her conversations with Rapunzel, there is almost a whiplash effect with how quickly she shifts from one point to another. For instanceโฆ
โBlah-blah-blah-blah. Itโs very annoying! Iโm just teasing. Youโre adorable. I love you so much, darling.โ
So, Is Mother Gothel an ESTJ or an ESFJ?
โMother knows best. Mother will protect you.โ
There are some very strong extraverted judging themes with this character. For instance, she constantly emphasizes her authority, how she knows best, and how sheโs just trying to protect Rapunzel. She doesnโt give Rapunzel any room to argue, or question this authority. Of course, as a narcissistic or toxic extraverted judging dominant, Mother Gothel is openly critical and judgmental in all of her interactions.
โDonโt ever ask to leave this tower againโฆDonโt forget it. Youโll regret it.โ
However, none of these point specifically to ESTJ or ESFJ.
The ESTJ Arguments for Mother Gothel
When considering this character, these are the main things that caused us to consider ESTJ.
1. Critical Nature
Mother Gothel is very critical of everything Rapunzel does, from how long it takes Rapunzel to hoist her up into the tower to how Rapunzel mumbles.
โThen I donโt know why it takes so long.โ
2. Lack of empathy and concern for others
Mother Gothel seems completely oblivious of Rapunzelโs wants, concerns and general emotional state. Mother Gothel is too wrapped up in herself, and her own personal concerns to care about anyone else. She constantly ignores Rapunzel, interrupts her, and talks down to her.
3. Detached from her daughter
Mother Gothel seems to stay as detached as possible from Rapunzel, physically and emotionally. She constantly leaves her alone for long lengths of time, gives her nicknames that reflect her use (โflowerโ), and doesnโt truly seem emotionally attached to the girl in anyway. It all looks manufactured, so she can hold onto her eternal source of youth.
The ESFJ Arguments for Mother Gothel
1. Forms a fake family
While her expressions of love seem insincere to the viewer, Mother Gothelโs go-to strategy after capturing the princess is to create a fake family. She pretends that she is Rapunzel mother and preys on that relationship.
2. Relies on emotional manipulation
Mother Gothel relies on emotional manipulation to imprison the girl, rather than physical chains. She could have found a way to maintain control over the girl, like how in the original tale Rapunzel was completely incapable of escaping the tower. Instead, Mother Gothel weaponizes guilt and fear to keep Rapunzel there. After Rapunzel does leave the tower, Mother Gothel strategizes a way to emotionally break Rapunzel, rather than physically taking control and dragging her back. She makes Rapunzel believe that thereโs nothing for her outside of the tower so that she will never want to leave or disobey again.
โI just listened to the sound of complete and utter betrayal and followed that.โ
3. Emotionally expressive
Mother Gothel has a pronounced dramatic flair or theatrical nature that seems more in line with an FJ than a TJ.
4. Avoids playing the bad guy
Mother Gothel does not like playing the โbad guyโ. Typically, ESTJs have little issue playing the bad guy. Itโs a lot more natural for a thinker to do so, because theyโre more detached from feelings in general. So, the fact that Mother Gothel calls this out and consciously tries to avoid playing the bad guy, suggests ESFJ rather than ESTJ. She desperately tries to maintain her image as the โgood guyโ for as long as possible, only resorting to physical violence or overtly evil actions as a last resort.
โGreat. Now Iโm the bad guy.โ
5. Avoids framing her decisions in a self-centric way
Mother Gothel deflects blame onto Rapunzel, rather than claiming control over her own evil actions. This by itself makes little sense, because Mother Gothel is a villain. She doesnโt care that sheโs committing evil acts, yet she feels the need to act like Rapunzel forced her hand. Basically, Mother Gothel makes her own actions about Rapunzel, rather than about herself. She never frames things in such a way to make herself appear selfish or self-serving. She makes it all about Rapunzel, even when itโs so obviously not.
โYou want me to be the bad guy? Fine, now Iโm the bad guy.โ
โNow, look what youโve done, Rapunzel. Oh, donโt worry, dear. Our secret will die with him.โ
6. Emphasizes the selfish nature of others
Mother Gothel constantly calls out how selfish and cruel the world is. Of course, to the viewer, this is blatant hypocrisy, but itโs the key reason Mother Gothel uses to convince Rapunzel not to leave. Itโs common for Fe users to fixate on how selfish everyone else is.
โThe world is dark and selfish and cruel.โ
In conclusionโฆ
Looking over the evidence as a whole, the support for Te seems to primarily cover the same ground as narcissism, which makes that evidence not very reliable. Whereas, the potential Fe evidence is much more extensive. Therefore, we believe that Mother Gothel is an ESFJ, albeit a critical and narcissitic one.
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Hey PT,
You guys have NO idea how excited I was when I got the email that this was posted. ๐ค
And I couldnโt be more excited that my conclusion was the same as what you guys came up with. ๐ฅณ
Gothelโs โMother Knows Bestโ song gave her judging axis away for me lol.
I suspect if a Te dom wanted to get Rapunzel to stay without threats, theyโd make the song about how good she is at things, etc., since that would be my approach.
But just for funsies:
0. How would a Te domโs song be if Gothel was a Te dom?
1. Could Gothel be using Fe tactics because Rapunzel may be the only one who can make her hair work? (Hypothetically speaking)
I read something interesting where someone said that Rapunzelโs hair works when thereโs singing in general. (So ANYONE can sing to her and her hair would glow and apparently you donโt need to sing that specific flower song either).
Now I get this would probably be the case since Rapunzel was a baby when Mother Gothel kidnapped her, so Gothel would *have* to sing the song to get the healing powers, but *hypoyhetically* if Rapunzel was the only one who could make her hair glow by singing, would that have changed Gothelโs type for you guys to Te? (Since Rapunzel could easily not sing and indirectly kill Gothel).
2. You say that Gothelโs expressive, rambly, whiplash pointed away from IJ. I can see the Si/Ne and I agree that sheโs probably Je (Fe) dom, but how would an ISFJ be?
Would they be calmer, more contained, fixate on more/fewer worst case scenarios (inferior Ne), or would they just fixate on the same likely negative outcome(s) rather than spraying a bunch of them like Gothel did? How would an ISFJโs response be different?
3. Does Gothelโs critical nature come from her crutching on her inferior Ti, or is that something outside of type/ mostly the narcissism/ character flaw that narcissism possibly magnified?
4. Mother Gothel purposely not changing Rapunzelโs birthday (which led to her downfall) โ> function related or nah?
5. Can you name some ISFJ villains?
As for the articleโs format, Iโm cool either way ๐ It had wayyy more information than your usual articles, so that was fun.
Article suggestion: The 16 types as villains or narcissists. (Iโm especially curious about ESTP dictators and how theyโd control people if at all).
Thanks again for doing this! Loved this article ๐
โ ESTJ
Iโm not sure about some of these questions because changing her type for one aspect, technically would change the entire movie. So, asking what the song would have been likeโฆ but would the song have even been at all? Sort of like if Rapunzel was the only one who could make the hair work, Mother Gothel would have died before Rapunzel was old enough to sing itโฆ But no, we didnโt bank our entire argument on one factor.
2. Calmer and more contained. The amount of scenarios wouldnโt have necessarily changed. I did find it odd that Rapunzel was allowed so much freedom in the towerโฆ like Mother Gothel seemed to not be there a lot and didnโt insert herself much into the girlโs lifeโฆ Like you never see, for instance, a chores list, or anything that implies that Mother Gothel is setting rules and schedules or really doing anything to keep the girl predictable. An ISFJ may have tried to keep more tabs on her (especially considering the fact that Rapunzel could technically leave at any time), but Iโm not sure.
3. Her critical nature would have been partially expressed through her Ti, because sheโs narcissistic. Iโm not sure that I would describe her as crutching on her Ti. Her dom Fe was definitely in use.
4. Plot convenience
5. Literally just watched an episode of The Librarians, season 3 episode 5. The Amazing Mysterium. Heโs an ISFJ. The frost queen character from Once Upon a Time is an ISFJ. (canโt remember her name). Off the top of my head, I canโt remember any others.
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Sounds good. I was mostly asking for fun, haha. I never thought you guys were basing Gothelโs type off of one piece of evidence.
Gotcha. What would an ESFJ crutching on their Ti look like then? I know one way is theyโll fixate on some random or weird thing and hyper-analyze it to death and twist the logic to fit their impression or belief about someone or something to keep the community or group unified (Ti serving Fe), but how would a loner ESFJ or socially introverted ESFJ be in this case? (Since Gothel doesnโt seem to be involved in any communities).
Hmm, Mysterium, Iโll check him out. Thanks!
The catch with Mother Gothel is that we donโt see any life of hers beyond obsessing over the flower. We donโt know how long sheโs been alive, and what she was like before. If sheโs been alive for a long long time, any cognitive function weaknesses might be minimized, well-hidden, etc. We donโt know if she had any broader schemes, or had them in the past and failed. The story is focused on Rapunzel, so thereโs just a lot we donโt know about Mother Gothel.
I actually have another example of an โevilโ ESFJ: Mordo from Dr. Strange. Although, we never really get to see him evil, beyond a few brief end scenes. Dr. Strange is more like Mordoโs origin story in that wayโฆ Finding out that the Ancient One was lying to them all, basically put his Ti into a tailspin because he was outsourcing that function to her. He ended up losing faith in her and her entire organization, did a 180 on his belief system, struck out on his own, and committed himself to a new cause that ran counter to the one heโd previously been a part of. It was actually kinda disappointed they never made a follow-up movie with him as the villain.
The argument is weak because the jist of it is that itโs unfair to apply Te stereotypes, but itโs fair to apply Fe ones. The arguments made in favor ESFJ do not rule out Te use as many of the major characteristics of Fe-doms are omitted. I donโt see the justification of brushing off all of Gothelโs actions as unhealthy Fe when it makes intuitive sense that Gothel could be purely motivated by a Te-driven desire for eternal youth.
Thereโs nothing about the desire for eternal youth that is specifically Te in nature. I havenโt seen any good arguments for Mother Gothel using Te logic, but I did see potential evidence for her using Fe logic, which we included in our list, and which is why we went with ESFJ over ESTJ.
I said that ruling out Te is premature, not that the desire for eternal youth is specifically Te in nature. All of the traits brought up as arguments for Fe are also typical of narcissists and are exhibited by high Te users as well.
Mother Gothelโs main motivation is to monopolize Rapunzelโs hair for herself. She has no love for Rapunzel herself. Gothel never expresses any aspirations specific to Fe dominants, which is a big hole for the claim of ESFJ. Gothel could very well have assumed her motherly act to prevent Rapunzel from runnning away. Her emotional manipulation proves nothing about her type as even a Te dom could make the same decision to stay young forever.
Mother Gothel never expresses any aspirations specific to Fe or Te. Her character has limited screen time, and was all about eternal youth, which could go either way. We can only work with the evidence that the show provides. I personally see more potential for Fe than Te, because thereโs a decent amount of Fe logic but a lack of Te logic. She doesnโt try to physically control Rapunzel, permanently trap her in the tower, or use brute force methods of any kind, unless it was her last remaining option. She relies on the emotional manipulation as a means to control the girl, even though there were technically more effective ways to ensure that the girl never escaped.
Our stance is our stance. Youโre welcome to think differently.