Explaining Introverted Thinking (Ti) Identity
My brain goes a little nuts when trying to explain Introverted Thinking, or Ti, sometimes. I recently did a YouTube interview with Joyce Meng which can be found here, and of course one of the things that I had to explain in depth was Ti. I’ve gotten better at that… but whenever I’m asked to contrast it with Fi, I usually start stuttering a bit, which I know seems odd. In person, I have an easy time identifying Ti vs Fi… Meeting another Ti user is like finding someone else who speaks your language. However, when it comes up in relation to identity or our personal perspective on ourselves, I struggle explaining the difference.
Ti and Fi are both individualistic functions, but as I just mentioned, they are also identity functions. This is something Ryan and I have been saying for a long time now. (We by no means are the only people who make that claim, but at a certain point, we latched onto the concept and ran with it, since it made a lot of sense.) However, Ti is a different kind of identity function, far less obvious of one then Fi, which is where it starts to twist my brain a little. I’ve been giving it some thought, and I’m going to attempt to explain my relationship with identity here to maybe clarify some differences between the Ti users and the Fi users.
Honestly, this is my third attempt at writing this article. My propensity for comparing and contrasting in order to clarify my points made the first one travel down a huge rabbit trail about Ti versus Fi values… I’ve basically scrapped the whole thing, and will perhaps broach that subject later. For now, in this article, I’m going to focus really hard on talking about just Ti identity with as little reference to Fi as I can possibly manage. We’ll see how this goes. Perhaps after I get this all written down on this metaphorical paper, I’ll be able to produce it verbally in the future. (One can dream, lol.)
Ti Introspection
First, let me start by explaining my observations of what Ti users do when they’re trying to identify their personality type. Ti users typically approach themselves in what I would define as an emotionally detached manner. (I’m not saying that the other types are not rational. Try not to take anything that I say here as an attack on another type.) Ti users will look at everything they do and think, and explain it in great depth. They then take their understanding of personality theory, and twist everything that they know about themselves into multiple different types. I’ll bridge over to Fi really briefly to explain what I mean by that…
Fi users will look at the varying personality types and struggle to accept that they fit into one “box”. They dislike the restrictions on their own identity, the external label. Or, they’ll have an image of what they want to be in their head, and force themselves to fit that box. They basically want to choose their own label, rather than have it chosen for them. It’s like that Fi idealism… they envision what they want to be and force that into reality. (This is a good thing.. It provides them an ideal to strive for.) They want to choose who they want to become, and become that. “Don’t limit who I am or what I’m capable of.”
What Ti does is a bit different. It’s never really about what they want to be. They may inflate certain attributes of themselves, but I don’t typically seem them preferring one type greatly over another, even when you, for instance, try to call them a feeler. They may seem a bit confused if what has been proposed is not something they initially deemed valid, so they’ll start asking you for your logic in coming to that conclusion. Ultimately, what I see Ti users doing is twisting the system. (Relative logic is their forte, after all.)
What do I mean by that… Well, they’ll say ‘I do or think these things’. If you look at the thing this way, it could mean this function. If you rationalize it this way, it could mean this other function. OR, it could also mean this function over here because of X, Y, and Z. Basically, they’ll take whatever data set that they’re providing me with and explain how it fits several different types based on their understanding of the system. Hence, they twist and manipulate logic within the system. Sometimes, this gives them the propensity for overthinking the system and declaring it inconsistent and thus invalid. Other times, it just keeps them in a state of overthought confusion for a while, since every action can be interpreted into so many different types that they just can’t figure out what the correct rationale or interpretation is. For a Ti user, it becomes less about the conclusion (IE: which type they are), and more about understanding the rationale behind the system.
When people initially email in to get typed, Ryan and I usually give a combined response, breaking down their email to demonstrate which functions we are seeing and why. However, with the Ti users, I frequently end up having to deal with them one-on-one, because objective facts, data, and conclusions sometimes just aren’t working. (I’ll make a crack to Ryan about how I need to go “Ti” with this person.)
Ti Identity
So, based on everything I said up above, Ti identity is ultimately based on a subjective analysis or reasoning that we feel a personal attachment to. Ti is concerned with organizing their rationale separately from their emotions. The two should not cross nor intermix. (That’s not to say that we’re always successful in separating the two.) Our rationale is far more important than our actual conclusions. Meaning, a Ti user frequently does not care if you agree with them, but what they hate is when their logic is dismissed as invalid. To dismiss their logic or brazenly poke holes in some intricately thought out reasoning is to attack their core being, since that is what has been tied to their identity. Sure, Ti users typically love to discuss their logic, but if you get dismissive of it, you’ll risk offending the Ti user or putting them on the defensive. After all, conclusions can be easily changed, but to say that our logic is not “logical” is to discredit what we take pride in, our work of art, so to speak.
Obviously, a strong Ti user is not just going to freak out if some idiot calls them illogical. It has to be done by someone that matters to the Ti user, or done in such a way that the Ti user sees the potential validity behind what the other person is saying (IE: threatens the core integrity of their internal logical framework). A strong Ti user is not typically so insecure in their own logic that they’ll accept any accusation as valid.
So, I’m going to share a personal take on some very Fi type of phrases, and see if you can glean some information distinguishing Ti identity from Fi. After my many attempts at trying to write this article, I feel compelled to transition into this next section with.. “And down the rabbit role we go…”
Ti – Who am I?
This is not a question that I ask. It seems kind of irrelevant to me. (Honestly, what does that question even mean?) I think people typically ask the question as a predecessor to “who do I want to be?” which is also not something I typically ask myself. Honestly, I rarely use “I am” type of statements either. They seem very… absolute to me. The IXTJs, or tertiary Fi users, tend to be champions of the phrase “This is just the way I am.” Honestly, I think on the rare occasion that I use that phrase, it’s more out of laziness or hesitancy to commit, rather than an absolute denial to act outside of my typical self. I do on rare occasions say it in the heat of anger, when I feel like someone is attempting to compel me to act in a manner that is completely contradictory to what I know myself to be capable of. I liken it to someone trying to tell you to act outside of your own programming. No one can become a different person tomorrow and expect to maintain it in the long term… without breaking apart psychologically anyway.
Getting back to the title question, I have watched Fi dominants ask the question “who am I?” I’ve watched them analyze something in their life or approach a decision with a primary factor being “is this me?” or “is this who I want to become?” Sometimes, it’s a critical decision, and other times it’s something small like a piece of clothing. In the case of the clothing, I would just respond to the Fi user by saying, “if you like it, it’s you.”
I once bought a dress and asked the question, “Is this me?” That was kind of an odd thing for me to do, but I wasn’t really asking the question in the more literal sense. I didn’t care if the dress was accurately demonstrating my image or desired persona. What I actually was asking was… do I objectively look good in this dress? Is the color okay? Does the style work on my body type? Etc. I needed that Fe validation to understand if that dress was physically flattering on me… so I could update my parameters for future fashion possibilities. It can just sometimes be easier and quicker to say “Is this me?” Although, once again, I rarely use that phrasing.
Fi is interesting, because it’s a combination of identity and values. What I mean by that is… Well, most people are aware that the feeling functions are the value functions. Now, the word “value” tends to be used too broadly in the typology arena, because ultimately every cognitive function has values. However, what the feeling functions do is determine the “value” or “worth” of something. They are “value-driven”, and being such, they will place labels on things based on their value or worth. Ti is not concerned with values in this sense… For them, that’s the job of Fe.
This is why I don’t really care if people place labels on me, but I don’t typically place labels on myself. (Maybe I’m wrong, but this seems like the opposite of what Fi users do.) When someone tells me that I’m kind, I hear this value-based judgement, run it through the database in my mind against my data on myself, and determine if the judgement is consistent with how I know myself to act. I’m not by default placing labels of worth like that on myself. I will rationally recognize an individual action of mine as “kind” or “mean” but I don’t by default place that type of label on my person as a whole. I leave that up to the rest of the world (Fe). Once the world labels me as kind, I go “Okay, I guess I am kind.” Once again though, something in me struggles to make “I am” statements like that. I keep wanting to rephrase them into, I usually act kind, or I do kind things, or I tend to be kind… Perhaps this is my internal fight against the absolute Te-esque nature of the “I am” statement.
I know this all probably sounds very odd, because I’m saying that Ti is about identity, yet at the same time saying that feedback from others helps me define myself. So, I’ll go ahead and use a couple “I am” type of statements to explain my mentality.
I am what I do
Well, first off, as I’ve kind of stated earlier, I am what I do, and what I do defines me. Ergo, as I get feedback from others (Fe), I am further defined. I’m not going to make a decision based on “who I am” or “who I want to be”. I’m not going to determine or judge my own worth (Fi). (Side note: this is why Fi users are so prone to being so hard on themselves :/ ) I figure out what I like or what I’m good at, and I do that. I figure out what I think, and act in accordance with it. The question for me is not “who am I?” but “what do I think?” or “what makes sense?” What’s realistic? What’s rational? What’s possible?
I’m personally going to make decisions based on “what makes sense” (Ti), “what’s realistic” (Se) and “where do I want to end up?” (Ni) Obviously I’m speaking specifically from the perspective of an ISTP, but you understand my point, right? Who I am is only going to be a factor in the sense that obviously I can only act within my default, inborn or learned parameters (my capabilities), but it is not a question that I’m consciously asking. (Sounding like a robot, right?)
I am what I think
I know my thoughts… my emotionally detached thoughts. (I don’t really know my emotions.) I know my rationale. I know the way I think. Like I said earlier, the question for me, is what do I think? When I form a Ti judgement, I’m judging how logically consistent the act is with everything related to it. I know that seems vague, but I have to make it that broad. For instance, someone makes a statement. The first question is, does it line up with what I already know? If it does, is it adding anything else? If it doesn’t, am I wrong or is the person wrong? If the person is wrong, what does that mean about them? Are they flat out wrong or is there a truth to be gleaned from their perspective? Etc. I don’t feel the need to form a value judgement on another person, unless they tick off my Fe. However, I do need to verify a consistency between the individual’s words and actions so that I’m able to understand their rationale and check it against my own. I don’t care who they are as a person because I do not feel the need to label them based on my own personal values. Ti is known for being apathetic, right? From my personal perspective as an ISTP (I’m not sure if the INTPs relate here), I do like to understand someone’s rationale behind their actions so I can determine how they might affect me in the future, but that might be my Ni speaking.
In conclusion…
I really really hope this made some inkling of sense, because attempting to explain it really hurt my brain. I’m very open to feedback from other Ti users or even a completely different personality type who may have some insights on us Ti types, since I’m completely aware of how woefully bad I am at putting this subject into words. (It wouldn’t have taken me 3 full length drafts to produce this mess if I wasn’t, lol.) Anyways, let me know what you think in the comments!
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I’m most likely an ENTP but I could be an INTP and this article is highly relatable. Whenever I question my type, I always look at what I do and how I think and relate it to a cognitive function or type.
Also, I recently had somebody important imply to me that I’m not logical and it got me upset for awhile.
One question; What functions do Ti users look for in others? I subconsciously look for Ti in people when hunting for friends because I like deep intellectual conversations. Something that turns me off is a controlling, dominant Te user.
Anyway, thank you Mara for another great post.
Wellll, I think this is going depend greatly on what the Ti user is accustomed to (and whether that’s a good or bad thing). Personally, I do appreciate coming across another Ti user, because like I mentioned in the article, it’s like finding someone else who speaks my language. However, that being said, some Ti users can say some pretty wacked out things, so I’m not one to assume that I’ll always find intelligence in a Ti user, Beyond Ti, I’ve noticed that I naturally click the best with other STPs. However, I’ve had friends ranging from INTP to ESFP to ISTJ over the years, and generally having a variety can be nice since each has their own strength. I have no specific preference for Ni or Si. Both Fe and Te are a mixed bag for me. I find Te to be incredibly amusing, but other times domineering, so it highly depends on role that the Te user is playing in my life. Similarly, Fe can also be controlling, just in a different kind of way, and it can also be stress inducing, depending on the expectations of the Fe user. People that aren’t very emotionally sensitive are generally more appealing to me, because I don’t have to watch myself as much. (I’m not speaking exclusively about thinkers when I say that either. My ENFP brother and I have always gotten along great.)
My thing here is that it really depends on the health/balance of the type versus their actual functions. I’ve seen some people be really quick to, for instance, bash all STJs as terrible people, but what they were using describing was extremely unhealthy… or they themselves seemed a bit extreme. >.> Of course, with that being said, every type seems to be more prone to clashing with certain other types. It’s not necessarily a rule, but the trends can’t be denied. For instance, ISTPs tend to clash with INFPs. Not always, but I’ve noticed that those two types tend to struggle with one another. They basically have naturally opposing values, priorities, and ways of thinking. However, that trend doesn’t seem to hold true for ISTPs and ENFPs, so it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the individual functions, but rather their placements.
I think you are correct with ISTP and INFP clashing somehow.
Im certainly not a pro at typing fictional or real characters and rely on other people to do that. But in some TV shows I just think what the hell is going on.
For example in the TV show Atlanta the character Earn is supposed to be an INFP and this dude is funny but also complete cringe from the way he does and decides things and I just can’t relate at all 😀
ISTP here as well.
Well first of all this was a great article and I gotta say putting Ti in actual words is kind of a hard thing to do and I think you did a great job.
I wrote all the cognitive fuctions down as well, just for myself in order to find out if I understood them correctly compared them to each other in order to figure out if I understood the differences between each function and I struggled the most when it came down to pinpoint down the exact differences between Ti and Fi. Sometimes it seems like Ti and Fi are somehow overlapping in some cases but are also very different.
What you wrote about Ti users with twisting everything about themselves into different types may also be a valid way to type oneself.
Maybe this makes sense… maybe not so please tell me if what I write next is utter bs.
For example I figured out what functions I was using but I wasn’t certain in what order I used them and since the internet is somewhat biased between F and T I wasn’t sure if I was biased or not. (U know what I mean Feeler=dumb | Thinker=masterrace)
So I came up with the idea that if I understand the cognitive functions and I understand the personality traits of the possible types that I could be (ISTP, ESTP, INFJ, ENFJ) I could try to act like that type would.
So I tried to prioritize different function combinations as long as I could, for example acting like an ENFJ for as long as I could and the combination of cognitive functions that I could keep up the longest and easiest that type I’d be.
I tried to act like an ENFJ and tried to prioritized Fe (for like 3 hours) and even though it felt strange it also felt good to use that function to such an extent but I burned out pretty quick (and probably sucked really hard at using Fe :D) so I figured I couldn’t be that type.
For look alike types like ESTP and ISTP I think it is very insightful to look at the tertiary and inferior functions because the struggles are rather different and the slip ups happen in different situations, it also helps if you have a friend who is that type.
In my case it opened my eyes because under some situations my ESTP friend did some stuff and it went horribly wrong and I was like “How did you not see that Ni pattern” and in some cases I was like “I wish I had at least tertiary Fe”
At the end the label ISTP was the most accurate and I typed myself as such.
Hopefully that made sense :D…
PS: I really like your YouTube channel but I haven’t suscribed yet but eventually I will… sorry not sorry 😀
Ha ha, thanks!
Ti and Fi while seemingly opposed on many things do share certain similarities, especially in the role that they play in one’s stack, which is why it can be difficult for individuals to pinpoint which one they are using… if they aren’t one of the the stereotypical “I’m super duper emotional” or “I’m super duper unemotional” versions. Your story sounds very familiar to others I’ve run across on the STP/NFJ spectrum. You’d be surprised how many I’ve seen that rationalize how they could be each of the 4 possible types.
Your test method is also interesting. I can’t imagine trying to act like an ENFJ for a day, lol. I definitely agree that the key is to look at the tertiary and inferior functions when between two close types.
Hey, I’m had been studying Ti and Fi a lot since I had a typing session with a influent person on this universe (I’m from Brazil, u might don’t know her). She typed me as ENFP, but her POV was about how bigger were my dreams and the references that I said in the session (Peter Pan and Disney). She said that I was completely into the ENFP archetype but She didn’t explain how my functions are working with me, I always had a preference for use TI in every situation and I’ve been identified myself with a lot of ENTP talking about how they process. But Fi is something that I can understand and feel sometimes too. Maybe I’m using my Fi to see me like a Ti user because that’s can be what I want to be. I had never thought about it but She said that to me in the typing session and I’m trying to understand how this works but She just don’t explain in “Ti language” (She is a Enfp), so I’ve been trying to understand for myself how my Fi can do this to me. Do u have something to help me?
(Sorry for bad English lol)
So in regards to how Fi can do that to you, sometimes Fi users see themselves as how they want to be instead of how they are. Fi is good at relating themselves to a variety of things. We’re currently working on an article on differentiating ENFPs from ENTPs, and ESFPs from ESTPs. It should be coming out in the next few weeks so keep an eye out for that; you may find it useful. Otherwise, you could check out the articles below for more information on Ti identity and rationale.
Do Ti Users Lack Identity?
Q&A: Why Does Ti Reinvent the Wheel?
I have been typed as intp for years and I do relate with these. Hmm I put it as hitting the nail in the head with a hammer dropped from space