Suits: Harvey Specter (ESTP)
Se:
โBecause sometimes I do things that my clients donโt like and if their ex-wives are looking over my shoulders, thatโs not really a problem. But when their ex-wives are also my managing partner, that hamstrings me.โ
โThey thought I worked a hundred hours a day. Now, no matter what time I get in, nobody questions my ability to get the job done.โ
โI donโt give advice.โ
โThatโs the difference between you and me, you wanna lose small, I wanna win big.โ
โWhen you are backed against the wall, break the ******* thing down.โ
Harvey Specter is a very action oriented person. Heโs known for constantly being on the move, and getting the job done. Heโs built up a reputation of being that way so he can have the freedom to come and go as he pleases without being questioned. Harvey would much rather act, then argue. If it seems more effective, heโll go around someone to accomplish his goal. An example can be seen when a judge accuses Harvey of sleeping with his wife. Harvey doesnโt say a word in contradiction or feel compelled to argue. He just goes straight to the woman. Harvey is also spontaneous and spur of the moment. Heโll lie to someone on a whim, change tactics, and etc. Heโs also very direct, and frequently gets comments for getting straight to the point, which can be a sign of Se/Ni. He claims to struggle with boring tasks, an example being when his boss chides him for not billing enough on a merger.
Harvey respects others who can also get the job done with as little intervention as possible from him. That is especially shown in the way he treats his associate. Heโs not interested in ordering him around or advising him, like a mentor should do. Rather, he gives him the most minimal direction possible, and tells him to go do. This is very indicative of Se. He wants his associate to just go figure it out and get the job done. He doesnโt care how, even if it breaks the rules. As long as tasks are completed with as little intervention from him as possible, Harvey is satisfied. Another prime example of this (which also demonstrates a lack of Te and Si, by the way) is shown in his relationship with his secretary. He looks confused when a colleague suggests that he tell her to do something, and simply states that โI donโt tell her to do anythingโฆ She just does.โ
Harvey definitely appears to be a dominant extraverted sensor. His extraverted nature is shown in moments where he loudly greets people as he passes them in the hall. Heโs verbally bold, never seeming to hesitate to say anything to anyone, even when itโs not very strategically smart. He also shows a stereotypical enjoyment of things like fast cars, and seems to always be on the move. His impulsive nature is emphasized when Jessica loses her position as managing partner, and his impulse is for them to run, which Jessica argues against. He also has a tendency to physically lose control, such as punching someone or throwing something across the room when angry.
Ti:
โThis goes against every fiber of my being. Iโm taking your caseโฆ Probono.โ
โI donโt get emotionally attached to the client.โ
โYou looked at the bi-laws for a tactical reason, and I want to know why.โ โ Boss to Harvey
โYou want to change your life? Change the way you think.โ
โHe wins a no win situation by rewriting the rules.โ
Harvey is generally emotionally detached, and a rather sharp individual. He avoids any kind of emotional attachment to a case, and is constantly berating his associate for doing the opposite. While he is loyal to those whoโve earned it, heโs eager to cut off anyone who is shown to be a liability, which is another thing he berates his associate for failing to do. He openly and almost proudly states that he doesnโt care about people, just himself. This, of course, demonstrates an extremely individualistic mindset. He also doesnโt care to give his intern any affirmation, and when he does allow a slight compliment to slip,if itโs pointed out, heโll be quick to retract it or explain it away. He also doesnโt try to emphasize his authority over others. He simply proves his value or superiority through his actions, which is the result of his Se-Ti combination. In addition, high Te users tend to be more interested in issuing orders or asserting their authority to ensure things are done properly or efficiently, whereas Harvey generally seems uninterested in managing people, or controlling their actions in any way. This supports Ti rather than Te. A good example can be seen in his relationship with his secretary, as mentioned in the Se section.
Harvey shows little concern for what is moral or ethical. He doesnโt recognize any authority or imposed structure beyond his own personal rules for himself, which are typically made for logical reasons rather than an internal value. (For instance, he will not sleep with a married woman, but this is due to the potential fallout drama rather than morals. In his mind, itโs just not worth it.) Due to his failure to recognize authority, Harvey is constantly skirting rules. Heโll ignore direct orders constantly, to the point that his boss has learned to strategize around it. Heโll go behind his clientโs back to do whatever he thinks is best. He has few noticeable boundaries for his actions.
Harvey doesnโt expect anything more of his associate than he expects of himself. For instance, his associate starts gloating and then gets taken aback when he thinks Harvey disapproves. However, Harvey explains that โGloating is fine. You just have to not suck at it.โ
Fe:
โYou read books. I read people.โ
โYou are a reflection of me, and I absolutely care about me.โ
โGet it through your head. First impressions last.โ
โI like to smile at people who donโt like me.โ
Harveyโs Fe is shown in three main ways. The first and most obvious is his openly antagonistic or flippant nature. He likes to call out the fact that people donโt matter to him, which is the result of low Fe taking on an anti-group mentality. He likes to provoke people, and revel in a certain degree of conflict. Inferior Fe is typically a bit more insecure, while tertiary Fe will find greater enjoyment in conflict and take pride in its stable and stronger use of Fe. He likes to mock others, but also claims that he only mocks people who are โabove averageโ, which essentially means that he only mocks people that he somewhat respects.
The second way is in his manipulation of others through charm and image. Heโll tell someone exactly what they want to hear if it benefits him. (A tactic he uses frequently with his clients.) Heโs also openly admitted that he uses emotions as a tool, which is an Fe tactic, rather than something youโd get from an NTJ. He often relies on his ability to read people. He focuses heavily on his appearance, always having perfectly done hair, clean shaven, and wearing fancy suits. He berates his associate for frequently downplaying the importance of image and appearance. (This image focus is also a result of his Se-Fe combination = Aesthetics + focus on others or societal expectations.)
Lastly, Harvey can be very loyal to others whom he deems are worth the effort. He gives his associate multiple chances in spite of failures, and tells him several times to cut off his drug dealing friend. (Advise which he means sincerely, although, it comes off as harsh and self-serving.) He also intervenes on his behalf in some related personal matters. Another good example of his Fe is shown when his driver gets in trouble. Harvey actually goes beyond his standard nature, and takes on the case for his driver completely pro bono, although he appears to struggle slightly when admitting it, which is a sign of low feeling in general. He even goes as far as to say not tell anyone that he did it because it would ruin his reputation.
Ni:
โI knew that you knew that I knew that.โ
Harveyโs tendency to get straight to the point and read into things (as mentioned earlier) also ties into his Ni function, and general lack of Ne. Heโs quick to make a guess when he thinks something is going on. Although, when asked how he knew, heโll often say that he didnโt, but now he does. This demonstrates low Ni.
Harvey also tends to subconsciously process case roadblocks or dilemmas. Heโll be shown dealing with something else or someone else, and then will suddenly get a classic Ni โaha!โ moment, when something random that he sees or hears provides him the answer he was looking for in another case. Heโs frequently stealing or implementing the ideas or concepts that he sees others implementing, rather than coming up with a complicated strategy of his own, which also suggests a low intuition function.
His dominant Se or inferior Ni is also portrayed in the way he immediately and quickly applies any new strategy or piece of information, without much planning or forethought. In addition, Harveyโs lack of willingness to mentor his associate or explain things to him demonstrates a general lack of foresight, since it periodically creates more problems that Harvey has to step in to resolve later. (A little more direction at the beginning could have avoided future issues entirely.)
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I always thought that Harvey is a Te user, an ENTJ or ESFP, less likely, with unhealthy Fi due to his childhood trauma falling into Se-Te loop.
I had also assumed ESTP, but I didnโt see signs of Fe> Fi.
His main characteristics are precisely the will to win, which can be both Te and Se, and his detachment, contempt and repression of emotions which should be sign of low Fi.
In Season 2ร07 during a simulation process he explained why he is emotionally detached, saying
โCaring only makes you weak. If they think you care, theyโll walk all over you.โ and itโs always linked to his trauma.
Or that loyalty is the most important thing to him, even beyond success.
Isnโt that Te>Fi?
This, however, is only visible in the final seasons.
His relationship with Louis seems one between an ENTJ vs ESTJ, with Harvey that after years of results knows well his value and doesnโt need to prove it while Louis, despite being among the best, needs to prove it to the one who he admires or shouts orders to those he deems inferior.
Regarding the initial behavior with Mike, yes indeed a Te user would have act differently, specifying what he had to do and how to do it, especially knowing that Mike never studied law, rather than throwing him into the sea saying โlearn to swim if you donโt want to drownโ.
But in that case I thought it was related to TeNi, once he said what to do he had to figure out how to do it.
Rather, Mike is the one who gives the impression of Fe user and for this very reason in the first seasons Harvey accused him of becoming attached to client.
Could you give some other reason for Ti>Te?
P. S.
โHe doesnโt recognize any authority or imposed structure beyond his own personal rulesโ
Can this also be true for a high Te?
In the sense if he thinks he should be the one who must decide the rules and have the authority?
โhis detachment, contempt and repression of emotions which should be sign of low Fi.โ
I fundamentally disagree with this assessment. I didnโt really see signs of Harvey repressing emotions. As a matter of fact, he uses them to manipulate others on a regular basis. He tends to use charm and charisma to bolster himself, and talks about how much first impressions matter. These are all tied back to Fe. Te would be focused on results, and how only results matter which is the pitfall Louis falls into, demonstrated by how much he points to his billables as his superiority to Harvey. Whereas Harvey has obtained his position through his calm smooth talking demeanor and his ability to negotiate and sway people, which to me breaks down like this: Se encourages them to pull the trigger on a deal. Ti rationally logics out why it makes sense. Fe charms them into trusting his judgement.
I would also point out loyalty to those close to you or those who have earned it is a product of your identity function. In Harveyโs case, itโs Ti. You can see that he chooses his loyalties based more logically than emotionally, as demonstrated with his driver who we mentioned. The driver proved his usefulness and good nature to Harvey so he returned the favor. Stereotypically, Te would actually hold success over all else, whereas Ti and Fi would be more prone to holding loyalties as more important.
I would argue that the clash between Louis and Harvey is more a matter of fundamental difference in what they think is valuable. Louis points to results (Te) such as billables as proof of his superiority to Harvey. Whereas, Harvey points to the ability to think on your feet and adaptability in order to close difficult deals and clients as the true measure of worth. (Se-Ti)
Harvey takes a very Se approach with Mike, expecting him to figure things out on his own. He barely gives him any direction and Mike basically talks him into helping him. I would relate this more to (Se-Ti) as he expects him to experiment to solve his problems and create his own solutions in creative or abstract ways. Which is basically what Harvey is always doing. Which demonstrates a perceiving nature.
โCan this also be true for a high Te? In the sense if he thinks he should be the one who must decide the rules and have the authority?โ
Thatโs the catch. He doesnโt actually want to decide rules or have authority. Not only does he ignore the authority or structure around him, but he doesnโt try to impose structure on anyone either. He doesnโt want to have to tell anyone what to do; he just wants them to do it. Thatโs his approach to both his associate and his secretary. Whereas, if you compare Louis (who we agree is probably an ESTJ), Lous likes to assert his authority constantly. He tries to take control of Harveyโs associate, which is technically outside his purview.
Always on point.
Apparently my believe about Te was more a cognitive bias.
In the various seasons Harvey has always emphasized his emotional detachment, in season 2 to Hardmanโs question โwhatโs wrong with you?โ he replied โpeople say Iโm emotionally indisposedโ.
This detachment is what has always convinced me that he was a Te user, but in the end itโs what every high thinker does.
In fact, another difference between him and Louis concerns the desire to become Managing Partner:
for Harvey it seems more a goal to consolidate his success, not to have power, and once achieved he immediately points to something else and in fact replies with โI donโt have dreams I have goalsโ.
for Louis it serves to consolidate his authority over others and as soon as he becomes one you immediately notice.
I have two questions:
Ironically is a high Te โmore emotionalโ than a Ti?
This would explain why Louis easily loses control over Harvey.
โHe focuses heavily on his appearance, perfect hair, clean shaven, fancy suits. He berates his associate for downplaying the importance of image and appearance.โ
Can this generally be the result of Se in the stack, regardless of having Fe right?
For example, a Te-Se could see wearing a suit in the workplace as obvious and at the same time because he likes to dress in a certain way?
This typing surprised me at first, because Harvey is usually typed as ENTJ. But I think the only reason for his inferior Fi was something like โhe isnโt comfortable with emotions and said, that he doesnโt have themโ. But know that I think of it, the inferior function can be a huge insecurity and inferior Fi could manifest itself in a fear of being vulnerable or losing oneself (maybe that is low feeling in general, correct me if I am wrong). I could see that in Harvey, but one has to think about the fact, that this guy has a trauma from childhood, which would explain the hate of being abandoned and being vulnerable. I think he would use Te, because he was actually good at delegating tasks and commanding people, asserting his authority. He even said at one point โI donโt have dreams, I have goals, and to the next oneโ, and the reason, why he started practicing law โto bend people to his willโ, but an ESTP can be assertive aswell. I think good examples for inferior Ni are two scenes : 1. The scene, where he confronts Louis, about him maybe sending associates and clients to Allison Hold and Hardman, where he didnโt even knew, if Louis was the right guy, he just assumed it and went in, without much forethought (reaction under stress).
2. When Jessica left the firm I think he was insecure about him not being like Jessica or atleast not having the foresight of Jessica (higher Ni user), that he tried to become more like her, until Mike reminded him, that he was not Jessica and he had to lead the way Harvey usually does (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYVQ0st0Go).
Anyways, thank you for the effort of analyzing him and for indirectly kicking my butt to think about what was in front of me and doing my research.
I suspected Harvey may be a TP when the last season aired but it was only my intuition because I didnโt understand enough about type. The break down here, by function, is amazing. Iโd love to see more from this series.
My ESTP friend tells me about how others will type him as ENTJ, so it makes sense how an ESTP character like Harvey Specter would be seen as ENTJ by the type sphere. Great article!! Well explained and fantastic points as always.
Interesting and thank you! That does make sense. I actually had someone ask me once if I should seem similar to an INTJ. I think the person had been watching some INTJ stuff on YouTube and was drawing a few parallels back to me. Iโve always kinda said though that depending on the scenario, an STP could totally give the initial appearance of an NTJ.
I agree 100% estp look like entj alot but he is freedom seeking he make his own rules and he is good at reading people. Se Ti=Te
People sure love looking at peopleโs surface behaviour superficially and jumping to conclusions. They consider several actions as evidence for whatever predetermined type they have in mind without figuring out the how or why they did it.
Examples like Harvey is โassertiveโ, โdominates conversationsโ and โunemotionalโ so apparently that instantly means he is Te dom & Fi inferior. (from what I see of comments here) Any Fe/Se/Ne dom could be assertive really.
Harvey clearly has Se in his top 2 functions. He comes off as intimidating and very present (gets up close, holds eyesight), gets physical when angry (punch & push down items from table), always going/doing something, constantly figuring out things on-the-spot (vs Si who pull up past data) and his conversations are generally light-hearted and to-the-point (current events rather than Ne possibilities) which are all indicative of Se.
Heโs charming as heck and great at persuading people which comes from Fe (in sharp contrast to Te-user Louis who โbreaks downโ people instead). He doesnโt sympathise with people who have their own agenda outside societal expectations (e.g. sees Louis as traitor to firm & Mike as not loyal when he helps Louis). This combined with Ti which he uses to poke holes in othersโ logic and figure out things his own way rather than follow the standard makes him appear very much emotionally detached and not seem to, as people put it, care about others. That is Ti-Fe/Fe-Ti. Higher Te with Fi would instead come off as the stiff โbad guysโ (โI only care about results & rulesโ) with their blunt, harsh talking style though you could see the underlying emotions regarding certain, personal things they care about but donโt reveal. So personally, donโt really get the whole ENTJ typing thing.
Well, that was a wall of text. Just wanted to put my thoughts down so make of it what you will. (Havenโt finished watching it all yet so take it with a grain of salt though!!) My ESTP dad is actually very similar to Harvey (from his expressions, the things that tick him off, the way he talks, the way he views things, his values, his presenceโฆso it was very interesting to watch indeed) but yeah. One thing I wanted to ask thoughโฆis Jessica (boss) an INFJ, you think?
Anyway, thank you guys so much for putting these articles out, you really correct the horrible mistypings of fictional characters out there.
Hey! Thanks for this. We werenโt too surprised to find out that people wanted to peg Harvey as an NTJ, because the ESTP stereotypes donโt describe them as being driven, but he seemed like a pretty clear cut TP from the git go. As an ISTP, I actually related to the way Harvey handled his associate, (I had my own intern once) only Harvey is much meaner and more extreme, being an extremely confident extrovert. Iโve also had someone compare me to an INTJ in the past, because I think in certain situations, I can come off a lot more intense.
As for Jessicaโฆ She initially struck us an INTJ, although we werenโt paying close attention to her like we were with Harvey. One thing I do specifically remember that seemed to support INTJ wasโฆ Well, I donโt remember the exact details, but I believe someone said that Harvey cuts through everything and gets straight to the point like his boss, and then Harvey added that he just does it with a little more charm. That looked like an Fe vs Te comparison.
This was great analysis. Will you also do Mike, Donna, Jessica and other significant characters?
From what I have seen regarding Mike specifically, people appear to be divided between INFP and ENFP when it comes to him.
Thanks! We had no immediate plans to do them, although we wouldnโt mind it. Originally, only Harvey was both requested and expedited so we didnโt really bother with any of the other characters. Shoot us a quick email if youโd like to see others!
This doesnโt really prove why his Ni is inferior. The only case to support it is that Harvey lack of forsight about explaining things to Mike, but it can be attributed to the fact that high Ni users are used to just intuitively subconsciously understand things with โahaโ moments, especially trivial ones, and Harvey assumes that he doesnโt need to explain things to Mike, because those are trivial to him (but not to Ne user like Mike), it actually is even more the case for Ni dominants, whose thought process is even more complex rather than clear internal logic of Ti user.
There are much more arguments for inferior Fi:
1) Childish emotions and anger, which are greatly apparent to everyone else except Harvey
2) Harvey has to use Donna to explain him how he feels and Donna being ENFJ explains Harvey he has problems with processing his emotions
3) Harvey is definitely bottling his emotions, which comes in emotional outbursts quite often.
4) Panic attacks and Harvey having no desire to deal with it initially
5) Harvey doesnโt want to talk about his feelings, I donโt think many ESTP are like that as they are okay connecting with people emotionally
6) Harvey can manipulate, but he usually does it through facts, trolling, threatening, etc
7) Harvey is much more often straight-forward than your typical ESTP snake salesman, which often leads him to trouble and hurts people
8) Harvey is very blunt and direct
9) No desire to express empathy and connect with other people in general
About dominant Se:
1) Harvey likes to get personal when he is under anger and stress, when people are dear to him hurt or threatened and he deals with it in cruel Te-Se way, great examples: Louis, Gallo, Alex.
2) The argument about Se not being dominant can be the same that Harvey definitely uses it often in not so healthy ways like going physical with enemies. Boxing/sex/music/alcohol/fancy stuff relief mechanisms are actually commonly used as escape mechanisms for many ENTJs.
3) Action orientation in business is not necessary Se thing, but can Te thing, especially combined with developed tertiary Se, Te is very action-oriented, structured, scheduled and on the move
People pointing out here how Harvey is really similar to ESTPs is because, yes, ENTJ and ESTP are quite similar outwardly, but Harvey is most definitely ENTJ, he is one of the archetypical ENTJ IMHO.